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AN UNSUCCESSFUL NEGOTIATION FOR REMOVAL OF

THE WYANDOT INDIANS FROM OHIO, 1834

 

edited by DWIGHT L. SMITH

Instructor in History, Ohio State University

 

 

It did not take long for the frontiersman and his government

to realize the impossibility of his pushing westward into new lands

for purposes of hunting, trapping, and settling without reckoning

with the Indian who inhabited the lands in which he desired to

hunt, trap, and settle. According to the white man's concepts of

ownership and property, which were not compatible with those of

the Indian, the latter were obstacles to the fulfillment of his desires.

This situation was complicated by the mutual lack of comprehension

of the other's ideas and a mutual resentment that conformity and

reconcilement did not come from the other. On the battlefields of

Fallen Timbers, the Thames, and Horseshoe Bend, the white man

demonstrated his superiority of force and wrested an unwilling

acquiescence of this fact from the Indian.

In general the government negotiated treaties with the various

tribes, both collectively and individually, by which their titles to

lands were ceded or relinquished to the United States. An out and

out purchase was made of a stipulated area or areas with additional

concessions and presents being made. The Indians were thus either

confined to reservations made within the ceded lands by some of

the treaties, or they were pushed westward treaty by treaty.

Eventually a new policy evolved, that of removal, which provided

for an exchange of lands rather than a purchase or cession. A

treaty would grant to a tribe a tract of government land in the

trans-Mississippi area in exchange for the tribal lands or holdings

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in the cis-Mississippi area. Often stipulations were made whereby

means of transportation would be afforded to the migrating Indians.

The removal policy of the government was greatly accelerated

as the Indians became more and more reluctant to give up their

lands by treaties of cession. Not only did this make new areas

available for white settlement but it helped to solve problems of

conflict and authority that had existed because of Indians residing

in areas contiguous to or entirely surrounded by white settlements.

Though the policy had antecedents as far back as February 1803,

when Thomas Jefferson outlined the idea to William Henry Harri-

son,1 and in March 1804, when it was incorporated into the act

which created Louisiana Territory,2 it was not until after the War

of 1812 that the first treaty was concluded effecting an exchange

of lands and bringing about a removal to a trans-Mississippi area.3

For the next three decades Indian treaty making was largely con-

cerned with the removal of tribes to the lands west of the Mississippi

River. The first treaty of removal in the Northwest Territory was

concluded with the Delaware on October 3, 1818, by which that

tribe ceded "all their claim to land in the state of Indiana." In

consideration of this cession the United States agreed "to provide

for the Delawares a country to reside in, upon the west side of the

Mississippi, and to guaranty to them the peaceable possession of

the same."4

The removal of the Wyandot Indians from Ohio is but one of

a great number of moves that they had made within the knowledge

of recorded history. Their story is that of one exodus after another.

Jacques Cartier, in exploring the St. Lawrence Valley, in the period

1534-43, found tribes along both banks of the river who spoke

Iroquoian dialects. "Huron" was the name applied to them by the

French, but in their own tongue they called themselves "Wendat."

Cartier discovered that these tribes were engaged in a fierce war with

 

1 Jefferson to Harrison, February 27, 1803, in Clarence E. Carter, comp. and

ed., The Territorial Papers of the United States (Washington, 1934- ), VII, The

Territory of Indiana, 1800-1810, 88-92.

2 U. S. Statutes at Large, II, 283-289.

3 Treaty of July 8, 1817, with the Cherokee, Charles J. Kappler, comp. and ed.,

Indian Affairs, Laws and Treaties (4 vols., Washington, 1904-29), II, 140-144.

4 Treaty of October 3, 1818, with the Delaware, ibid., II, 170-171.



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other tribes living to the south of them. The enemy tribes to the

south were probably those of the Iroquois confederation of a later

period of history.

When Samuel de Champlain came to the St. Lawrence Valley

some seventy years later it was deserted. The only Indians in the

area were some war parties of Algonquian tribes who were roving

about the region. Huron tribes had been expelled by the more

powerful Iroquois tribes from the south. With other Huron tribes

to the westward, they now formed a confederation and settled in

what was called Huronia, south and east of Georgian Bay and

around Lake Simcoe in Ontario. To this confederation was joined

a number of small dependent communities who shared its privileges

and obligations and enjoyed its powerful protection. Intermittent

warfare between the Huron and Iroquois continued with the

superiority of the latter being greatly enhanced by firearms acquired

from the fur trade with the Dutch.

In 1648-50, the Huron country was invaded, the confederacy

was destroyed, and a greater part of the Huron were either killed

or taken captive by their conquerors. A few hundred who escaped

took refuge on an island in Georgian Bay. Since they were not

safe from the Iroquoian menace here most of them fled to Michili-

makinac, which they soon discovered was still within reach of the

enemy. The flight continued until, by 1659, they found hospitality

with Indians in the Illinois country along the Mississippi River.

The stay of the Huron here was of short duration. Because of the

powerful Sioux they withdrew and settled along the southern shore

of Lake Superior for a few years and from thence moved again

about 1670 to a point on the upper peninsula of Michigan opposite

Michilimakinac.

It was from this location that some of the Huron moved and

settled in the region of Sandusky Bay in northern Ohio and in the

vicinity of Detroit. After an ill-fated English-inspired conspiracy

in 1747, involving most of the tribes of the Ohio, Michigan, and

Indiana regions under leadership of the Huron, which planned to

destroy the French at Detroit and at other posts, the Huron removed

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southern Illinois along the Ohio River. After this they returned to

the Sandusky and Detroit regions.5

The name Wyandot was now used more frequently to designate

the Huron. During the latter half of the eighteenth century their

influence in the Lake Erie and Ohio valley regions increased rapidly.

They were so powerful that the Delaware and the Shawnee found it

necessary and advisable to obtain their consent before they settled

within the area.

With the Delaware, the Wyandot, in 1785, allowed themselves

to be restricted to an area in north central Ohio bounded by the

Cuyahoga and Tuscarawas rivers on the east and the Maumee River

on the west. They acknowledged "the lands east, south and west

of the [tract to which they were confined] . . . to belong to the

United States."6 This treaty was subsequently renewed and con-

firmed by another treaty four years later.7

As were the Wyandot, other tribes by these and other treaties

were not content to recognize the restrictions placed upon them as

to boundaries specified in these documents. After their defeat by

Anthony Wayne at Fallen Timbers in 1794, however, they signed

a general agreement at Greene Ville in 1795 by which lands to

the east and south of the well known Greene Ville line were

recognized as belonging to the United States.8 In 1805 the Wyandot

were a party to another treaty by which the Cuyahoga-Tuscarawas

portion of the Greene Ville line was moved westward to a north-

south meridian line "one hundred and twenty miles due west of the

west boundary line of the state of Pennsylvania."9 Two years later

they were further restricted in their Ohio lands by a treaty in which

they surrendered title to the land north and east of a tract bordered

by the Maumee River and a line running directly north from the

mouth of the Auglaize River.10 After another unsuccessful challenge

to the hegemony of the United States, the Wyandot, with others,

 

5 Frederick W. Hodge, ed., Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico

(2 parts, Washington, 1907-10), part 1, 584-591.

6 Treaty of Fort McIntosh, January 21, 1785, Kappler, Indian Affairs, II. 6-8.

7 Treaty of Fort Harmar, January 9, 1789, ibid., II, 18-23.

8 Treaty of Greene Ville, August 3, 1795, photostatic copy in the Ohio State

Archaeological and Historical Society Library.

9 Treaty of July 4, 1805, Kappler, Indian Affairs, II, 77-78.

10 Treaty of November 17, 1807, ibid., II, 92-95.



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signed peace treaties in 1814 and 1815 by which they recognized

the validity of their pre-War of 1812 cessions.1l

Two years later, in 1817, the remainder of their holdings in

Ohio were ceded. There were two exceptions made to this general

cession. A tract of land twelve miles square at Upper Sandusky

and a second tract of a mile square on a cranberry swamp on Broken

Sword Creek about ten miles from the northeast corner of the Upper

Sandusky reserve were to be retained by the Wyandot.12 The former

of these was enlarged by an additional 55,680 acres by the United

States in the following year.13 Both were changed from being

exceptions to the cession of the 1817 treaty to reservations "held

by them in the same manner as Indian reservations have been here-

tofore held."14 Two additional reservations were also made in

1818. One was a tract of sixteen thousand acres at Big Spring

about four miles northwest of the Upper Sandusky tract, and the

other was a tract of one hundred and sixty acres "on the west side

of the Sandusky River."15

The sixteen thousand acre tract at Big Spring became the sub-

ject of the Treaty of January 19, 1832, negotiated at McCutcheons-

ville [McCutchenville], Ohio, by which the Wyandot did "forever

cede and relinquish to the United States the reservation." The

prologue asserted that the Wyandot were "fully convinced" they

could not prosper and be happy "in their present situation in . . .

Ohio, in the vicinity of a white population, which is continually

increasing and crowding around them." Besides, "the morals of

many of their people will be daily becoming more and more

vitiated." This was an outright sale to the United States. This

band of Wyandot were to remove to Canada or the Huron River

region of Michigan, "or to any place they may obtain a right or

privilege from other Indians to go."16 The mile square tract on

Broken Sword Creek, the one hundred and sixty acre tract on the

west side of the Sandusky River, and a strip five miles wide off the

east end of the Upper Sandusky tract were likewise ceded to the

 

11 Treaties of July 22, 1814, and September 8, 1815, ibid., II, 105-107, 117-119.

12 Treaty of September 29, 1817, ibid., II, 145-155.

13 Treaty of September 17, 1818, ibid., II, 162-163.

14 Ibid.

15 Ibid.

16 Treaty of January 19, 1832, ibid., II, 339-341.



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United States in 1836.17   Finally, in 1842, the Wyandot ceded the

remainder of the Upper Sandusky reserve "being all their remain-

ing lands within the State of Ohio" which contained over one hun-

dred thousand acres, and all their remaining lands within Michigan.

In return they were granted a similar tract west of the Mississippi

River to which they agreed to remove.18

An unsuccessful attempt to negotiate a treaty with the Wyandot

was made in 1834. In answer to a resolution of the Ohio legisla-

ture of January 18, 1834, that removal of the Wyandot from Ohio

be effected,19 an appropriation was made by congress to be used

for negotiation of a treaty to attain that end.20 Robert Lucas, gov-

ernor of Ohio, was directed by Lewis Cass, secretary of war, to

sound out the Indians with regard to a cession of the remainder

of their holdings within the state and their removal to the trans-

Mississippi area. Subsequent instructions were then issued to Lucas

to attain the desired end if possible. It is that attempt with which

the manuscripts here reproduced are concerned. Due to the kind-

ness of W. B. Shrimplin of Columbus, Ohio, who has been interested

for a number of years in collecting manuscripts and other source

materials on Ohio history, these manuscripts have been made avail-

able for publication. To supplement and clarify the Shrimplin

manuscripts other documents are added. Unless otherwise noted,

the documents are from the Shrimplin collection.21

 

Lewis Cass to Robert Lucas

Department of War

July 11. 1834.

Sir,

An appropriation was made at the recent Session of Congress for the

purpose of holding a treaty with the Wyandot tribe of Indians.

I am directed by the President to request that you would endeavor to

effect this object, by opening a negotiation with the Wyandot Indians for a

17 Treaty of April 23, 1836 ibid., II, 460-461.

18 Treaty of March 17, 1842, ibid., II, 534-537.

19 Laws of Ohio, XXXII, 434. See Ohio State Journal, and Columbus Gazette,

December 14, 1833, and January 8, 1834, for the introduction and progress of this

resolution.

20 "An Act Making Appropriations for the Indian Department for the Year One

Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty-Four," June 18, 1834, U. S. Statutes at Large,

IV, 677-678.

21 The original manuscripts have been donated by Mr. Shrimplin to the Ohio

State Archaeological and Historical Society.



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cession of their lands in Ohio, to the United States, and for their removal to

the country west of the Mississippi river.

You are aware of the considerations which render it desirable that all

the Indians remaining East of the Mississippi, should speedily remove to the

region West of that river, and circumstances render that measure every day

more and more obviously necessary. It is believd that the Wyandots cannot

occupy the position they now hold in Ohio, surrounded as they soon must be

by dense settlements of our citizens, without subjecting themselves to the

operations of those causes, which have, every where in such situations, brought

destruction upon the Indians.

You are so well acquainted with the Wyandot reservation, and with the

condition of its possessors, that I do not feel it necessary to trouble you with

such detailed instructions, as under other circumstances, might be proper.

You will receive herewith a map of the country west of the Mississippi

showing the region assigned to the emigrating Indians- the district between

the Osages and the Arkansa boundary and adjoining the Quapaws and in

the vicinity of the Ohio Indians would seem to offer a desirable residence

for the Wyandots, but the whole country between the Osages & the Shawnees

and between the Delawares & Kickapoos and the Ottoes and Potawatimies is

vacant, as is also a large district between the Omahas and the Ioways and

Sacs & Foxes, the South Eastward portion of which has been assigned to the

Potawatimies-The Potawatimies of Indiana are now seeking a residence

west of the Mississippi, and they, together with the New York Indians, the

Menomonies and the Wyandots constitute the only bands, whose permanent

location is not marked out.

You can provide in your arrangements with the Wyandots, either for a

reservation at a given place or for a location to be made on any unappro-

priated lands, which they may select.

It is presumed from the number of the Wyandots, that a tract of land

equal to their reservation in Ohio would be amply sufficient for all their

purposes, and you will endeavor to limit the tract, to be assigned to them

to the same extent, as the one now held. Should you find it essential however

to the success of your negotiation, you are authorized to make an addition

thereto, not to exceed fifty per cent.

In the removal of the Wyandots the President is willing to consult their

own wishes-- If they are desirous of taking charge of their own removal and

if you believe, that they are sufficiently intelligent so to do, you can then

stipulate, that a sum not exceeding the rate, which the removal of other

Indians has cost, and to be determined at the Treasury Department, shall

be allowed and paid to them for the purposes of removal. Each of their

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of ammunition- a reasonable supply of blankets will be allowed to their

families- But, if it is better that the United States should remove them,

then the stipulations on that subject will be the same, as is to be found in

the Indian treaties, recently negotiated, copies of which are herewith trans-

mitted. A years subsistence will also be granted to them.

As the reservation belonging to the Wyandots of Ohio is the last rem-

nant of the extensive possessions once held by them the President is per-

fectly willing, that the whole proceeds of that reservation should be applied

to their benefit, so that the United States shall not be compelled to encounter

any expense from their translation from their present to their western residence.

You may therefore in your negotiations with them, assume one of two prin-

ciples in determining the consideration to be allowed for the land. You will

provide for their removal and subsistence, together with the other articles

before stated and you may then fix the value of the land at a sum not exceed-

ing fifty cents per acre and allow such an annuity therefor, payable during

twenty years, as the principal sum may be worth. Or if they prefer it, an

arrangement may be made similar to that contained in the treaty negotiated

by Colo. Gardener, with the Shawnees in Ohio, that is, the ceded lands to

become a fund and to be sold by the United States. Seventy cents per acre

to be retained to compensate the United States, for the expenses of removal and

for other considerations allowed to the Indians- the residue to constitute a

fund for the use of the Wyandots. The interest of which at the rate of five

per cent to be paid to them by the United States, for a period not exceeding

twenty years, as the President may determine. At the end of which period

the principal shall be paid to them or vested in some proper Stock for their

benefit, to be in like manner determined by the President.

The sum of One thousand dollars is appropriated for the purpose of

meeting the expense of your negotiation.22

Your compensation will be at the rate of Eight dollars per day, while

actually employed upon the business, and Eight dollars for every twenty miles

travel. You will be allowed to appoint a Secretary, whose compensation

will be five dollars per day, and five dollars for every twenty miles travel.

The above sum will be paid upon your drafts. You can cause to be issued

to the Wyandots while assembled such provisions as they may need, taking

care that the proper vouchers are rendered therefor, viz, the contracts for the

supply of provisions, together with abstracts of returns, showing the issues.

But under no circumstances will the amount expended by you in conducting

this negotiation exceed the sum appropriated.

The Sub-agent at Upper Sandusky will be informed of this arrangement

and will be directed to carry into effect any instructions you may give him

in relation to the affair.

22 A warrant was issued to Lucas for this amount. Requisition No. 5290,

United States Treasury Department, Second Auditor's Office, August 29, 1834, in the

Shrimplin collection.



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I enclose a copy of the standing regulations of the Department con-

cerning the issuing of presents and provisions.--

Very respectfully, Your Obt. Servt.

Lew Cass.

His Excellency, Robert Lucas, Govr. of Ohio,

Columbus.

 

 

Robert Lucas to Lewis Cass23

Executive Office, Ohio

Columbus 19th July 1834

Dr Sir,

I received your communication of the 11th Inst stating that an appro-

priation had been made at the recent Session of Congress for the purpose of

holding a treaty with the Wyandott tribe of Indians and informing me that

you had been directed by the President to request that I would endeavour

to effect this object by opening a negotiation with the Wyandott Indians for

the cession of their lands in Ohio to the United States, and for the removal

to the country West of the Mississippi river. This duty I will endeavour to

perform in compliance with the request of the President, and in conformity

to your instructions, and will open a negotiation for that purpose, so soon as

the Chiefs of this tribe of Indians, who are now absent on a visit West of

the Mississippi, shall return to Ohio, which is expected to be about the 1st

of September next, and in the mean time, I will endeavour (in connexion with

Col. McIlvain the Sub. Agent at Upper Sandusky) to prepare the minds of

this tribe of Indians for a favourable negotiation, on the return of their

absent Chiefs to Upper Sandusky. Be pleased to present to the President,

my grateful acknowledgements; and accept for yourself an assurance of the

highest consideration and sincere respect, of your

Very Obt Srvt

Robert Lucas

Hon. Lewis Cass Secy at War

 

 

W. Ward to Robert Lucas

Deartment of War

Office Indian Affairs.

July 25th 1834.

Sir

I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 19th

instant, accepting the appointment of Commissioner to treat with the Wyandot

Indians.

23 Executive Letter Book, Robert Lucas, Governor, December 10, 1832--Decem-

ber 8, 1836, in the Ohio State Archaeological and Historical Society Library. This

will be referred to hereafter as Lucas Executive Letter Book.



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The Secretary of War directed, before his departure, that the annuities

due to these Indians, the present year, should be paid by Col McElvaine at the

time they were assembled to meet you in council. It was his wish that you

should be present at, and aid in superintending the payment. I have there-

fore to request that you would perform this duty, and to enclose a copy of

the Regulations, which prescribe the manner in which the payment shall be

made.

I am Sir with great respect, Your Obet servt

W. Ward

For E. Herring, Comr.24

His Excellency, Robert Lucas,

Columbus Ohio

 

Robert Lucas to John McElvain25

Executive Office, Ohio

Columbus July 31st 1834

Col. John McIlvain sub. Indian

Agent at Upper Sandusky

Sir,

In pursuance to instructions from the War Department, of the 11th Inst.

requesting me to open a negotiation with the Wyandott Indians for a cession

of their lands in Ohio, to the United States, and for their removal West of

the Mississippi river, I have to request that you will make the necessary

arrangements with the tribe, and after consulting their wishes on this subject,

that you would name to me such time and place, as might be most agreeable

to them to meet me in Council, for the purposes aforesaid, and that you also

provide by contract in accordance with the regulations of the War Depart-

ment, for the supply of such provisions, as may be wanted by these Indians

during the pendency of the negotiation-

With sincere respect I am Your Obt Srvt

Robert Lucas

 

Robert Lucas to Lewis Cass26

Executive Office, Ohio

Columbus. Aug 19th 1834

Dear Sir,

On the 12th Inst I returned to this place, from a visit to the Wyandott

Indians at Upper Sandusky. The object of my visit was to have a personal

acquaintance with the Chiefs and head men of the nation, and to hold

familiar conversation with them individually on the subject of the intended

negotiation for the cession of their lands to the U. S. and their removal West

24 Elbert Herring was in charge of the bureau of Indian affairs, 1831-32, and

was the first commissioner of Indian affairs, 1832-36.

25 Lucas Executive Letter Book.

26 Ibid.



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of the Mississippi. As far as I have been enabled to learn from frequent

conversation with some of the head men, there is considerable division among

them with regard to the removal. Some are anxious to join their brethren

in the West, while others are loth to abandon the land of their fathers, but

should the Chiefs that have lately visited the West, be in favour of the

removal, I have no doubt, of our success in the final negotiation for the

cession of their lands upon the terms within the scope of my instructions-

I have this morning been informed that the Chiefs who were absent exploring

the country West of the Mississippi, when I was at Upper Sandusky, have

returned and that the nation will be assembled to hear their report. this will

be done before the time appointed for paying the annuities- Immediately after

the annuities are paid-I expect to open a formal negotiation with them in

conformity to my instructions- arrangements are making to provide them with

rations during the pending negotiation: any instructions that you may think

proper to communicate will be punctually attended to. In your communica-

tion of the 11th July, you stated that $1000. were appropriated for the pur-

pose of meeting the expences of the negotiation and stated that this sum

would be paid upon my draft.

If consistent with the regulations of the department, it would be a

convenience to me, if that sum was transmitted to me at this place in a draft

on any of the Eastern Banks, or on the Bank of Cincinnati in this State, in

either case an arrangement could be made at this place, so that the funds

could be under my control at the time of the negotiation. You will please

advise me on the subject-

Very Respectfully Your Obt Srvt

Robert Lucas

Hon. Lewis Cass Secry of War

 

 

Elbert Herring to Robert Lucas27

 

Department of War

Office Indian Affairs

August 27. 1834

Sir,

I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 19th

ins, & to express my confidence, that the measures into which you have

entered with so much interest will ensure a favorable result for your nego-

tiation with the Wyandots.

It was supposed that under the authority given you in the letter of the

11th July, to draw upon this Department, you would be able to procure the

27 Manuscript in Ohio Executive Records-Correspondence, Robert Lucas, Gov-

ernor, July-September, 1834, in the Ohio State Archaeological and Historical Society

Library.



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amount, appropriated for this object. As you indicate a preference however

for a different course, the sum of one thousand dollars will be remitted to

you at Columbus from the Treasury.

I am Sir, very respectfully Your obt Svt

Elbert Herring

His Excellency Robert Lucas

Columbus Ohio.

 

John McElvain to Robert Lucas28

Wyandot Agency

Upper Sandusky

August 27-1834

Dr. Sir,

On yesterday pretty much the whole of the Wyandot tribe men, women

& children were assembled to hear the report of the diligation who have

recently returned from examining the west- After they had assembled &

seated on a beatiful green near this place the leader or head of the party

rose & gave a minute description of their journey & of the country through

which they passed until they arrived at the one designed for their future

residence-- He then with the other of his associates in succession were from

early in the day until dark & after, busily engaged in describing the country

they were directed to explore, but it was easily seen that they did not do it

justice, as their whole aim as appeared was to point out its bad qualities,

but notwithstanding they laboured hard to prejudice the minds of their people

against it, yet they were compelled to acknowledge that it had some good

qualities, such as being a healthy one, abounding with good springs-good

land even on the highest hills, good stone quaries &c &c.

The report on the whole is just such a one as I expected, as two of the

party & leading men of the tribe have ever been against emigrating, & it was

my opinion at the time the project was gotton up, to make a second examina-

tion, which originated with those two individuals, that they had not the

welfair of their tribe at heart, & that their only object was to quiet the minds

of those in favor of emigrating, by deceptively showing a willingness to fall

in with their views provided they could find a good country, They were

therefore compelled, in order fully to carry out their deception, to go &

examine the country designed for the tribe, & to return & report unfavorable

& by this means defeat the views & calculations of a majority of the tribe,

& to raise their prejudice against that country, which I have some fears

they will do.

But still I do not despair, as I have yet a strong hope that you will in

the end be able to satisfy a majority of the tribe that it will be to their

interest to emigrate-- I will therefore not relax my efforts, but will double

 

28 Manuscript in ibid.



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my diligence in striving to convince them of that fact until you arrive, I have

just held a conversation with a number of them in which I stated that their

friends had described just such a country as I would like to live in, particu-

larly so if I had plenty of money, & they all seemed to agree with me

I have closed the contract for furnishing rations at 8 cents per ration

which  was the lowest bid out of six- I am fearful I shall fail in getting

that part of the annuity which was by mistake sent to the west. $1000, And it

is also uncertain whether that part of it that I am directed to get at the bank

of Michigan can be got even were I to go after it at the present time, as I

understand no business what ever is doing in the bank, & the president of it

has lately died with cholera, but I think I had better within a few days go

after the funds & run the risk of the cholera & of succeeding in getting

there, so that if possible to get through with the business before us before

the fall & disagreeable season sets in.

But owing to the uncertainty of obtaining the funds as aforesaid, it is

impossible to inform you at what time your presence will be required, but as I

do not like to undergo the responsibility of keeping the funds long on hand

after they are got if they can be got at all, I therefore hope that you may be

ready on the shortest notice after they are obtained-

I am very respectfully Your Obt servt

John McElvain

To His Exy Robert Lucas

Columbus

[Addressed] Upper Sandusky O Aug 28th To His Exy. Robert Lucas

Piketon Pike Co. (Ohio)

[Postmarked] COLUMBUS O AUG 30 10

[Endorsed] Col. J. McElvaine Aug 27 1834 Indian Affairs

 

 

John A. Bryan to Robert Lucas29

Columbus, It Septem[be]r 1834--

Dear Sir,

Col. McElvain is now here. He wrote you on the subject of the Wyandot

council, & as he tells me there will be considerable difficulty in effecting a

treaty. Would it not be well in your address to them to present the matter

in the Strongest possible light to them? to refer to the prospect that opens

to them beyond the Mississippi; and the many advantages a change will

offer them, when they can carry money sufficient with them to make them

perfectly independent and happy in their new habitations? to point them

to the situation in which they are now placed, tho' located on lands of an

excellent quality in a delightsome region of country, laboring under many

29 Manuscript in ibid.



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embarrassments that cannot be lessened or diminished while remaining where

they are? But you need none of these intimations. You know just how much

to say better than I can even hint it to you. You will be ready, I know, to

pardon any suggestions of mine. It occurred to me that you might properly

present to them all the strong points of the subject, and leave them to the

decision. There are many good arguments in favor of their acceptance of

the terms offered them, and I confess, as an individual, I have a great

anxiety that you shall succeed in the negotiation, tho' from present indica-

tions, the prospect of success wears an unfavorable aspect. This circumstance

will justify you indulging more freely in the remarks you may have to make to

them. I know it to be your determination to use none but honest and fair

arguments. All others, as you justly remarked, will be unworthy of the

occasion.

I do sincerely hope the negotiation may prove successful, and your

anxiety is even perhaps more than mine--30

Yours very Sincerely,

John A. Bryan31

His Excelly-Robert Lucas-

[Addressed] Gen. Robert Lucas, Gov. of Ohio Piketon (O.)

[Postmarked] COLUMBUS O. SEP 2 Paid 10

[Endorsed] John A. Bryan Sept 1, 1834

 

 

John A. Bryan to Robert Lucas32

Columbus, 6th Septr 1834--

Dear Sir,

Col. McElvain is here. He has procured his money, and is ready to

accomplish the business with the Indians.

He wishes you to be at Upper Sandusky on the 15th (Monday week)

He proceeds immediately from this, and will have the Wyandots all duly

notified-

In haste- Your friend &c

John A. Bryan

Gov. Lucas

[Addressed] Gen. Robert Lucas, Piketon (O)

[Postmarked] COLUMBUS O. SEP 8 PAID 10

[Endorsed] John A. Bryan Sep 6, 1834

 

30 The last five paragraphs of the letter pertain to political information and have

been omitted.

31 John A. Bryan was secretary to Lucas.

32 Manuscript in Ohio Executive Records-Correspondence.



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Journal of Proceedings

 

Wyandot Reservation,

Upper Sandusky, Augst. 1834.

Gov. Lucas, by virtue of his appointment on the part of the United

States, to negotiate with the Wyandot Indians for the sale of their lands,

met some of the nation on the 6th day of Augst. 1834, in company with

John A Bryan his secretary and John McElvain sub Indn agent, preliminary

to entering the negotiation, & for the purpose of ascertaining their wishes

as to the time & manner they would prefer for assembling the nation-

Jacko, principal chief, and several other Indians, held a consultation with the

said commissioner relative to the arrangements necessary for the occasion.

The exploring committee of Indians, appointed to examine the country West

of the Mississippi, not having returned, it was thought advisable not to open

any negotiations relative to the purchase, until they should return & make

their report, which is expected in the course of two or three weeks.

Col. John McElvain, sub. Indn agt. in the mean time is to have a

suitable quantity of Rations provided for opening and concluding the nego-

tiation, and see about what time the nation will be pleased to assemble for

the purpose. Of the time and place of so assembling, each individual of the

nation will have due notice-

 

Wyandot Reservation-

Upper Sandusky Sept. 16, 1834

Gov. Lucas, accompanied by John McElvain Esq. Indn agt. & John A.

Bryan secry. of the commission, arrived at the agency House this day-- The

nation is to meet the commissioner for the purpose of entering upon the

negotiation on Thursday the 18th, (or rather, as soon after concluding the

payment of the annuities, as may be made most convenient to the nation-)

 

Septembr 18th 1834

3 Oclk. P.M-

The Indians having held a council to ascertain whether the chiefs, or

the individuals of the nation should receive the annuities, Gov. Lucas called

into their council Room to ascertain their views- He inquired of the chiefs

whether they had made a decision on the subject- They informed the Gov.

that they would prefer to have the payments made to the chiefs, and that

they w[oul]d take the responsibility of paying it out to the nation-- The

chiefs informed the Gov. that they w[oul]d meet him on tomorrow at 12

Oclk. m. and proceed to receive the amt of the annuities-

The Gov. observed to the chiefs in council that he wished to have a

consultation with the nation relative to the sale of their land, and reed for

reply that when the payment of the annuities was completed, they would let

him know at what time they would be ready to hold such consultation.



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A circumstance having occurred that interruptted the regular course of

proceedings, the payment of the annuities was suspended- Several councils

were in the mean time held by the chiefs relative to some matters of private

concern to the nation, and the time for paying the annuities was set for

Monday next (the 22d inst.)

Monday, Sept. 22d 1834

The payments were first made by the sub. agent (John McElvain) to

the chiefs of the tribe, amounting to $6,900.00 and their triplicate receipts

taken for the same- The chiefs then commenced paying over to the tribe,

which will be continued from day to day until completed-

Tuesday, Wednesday & part of Thursday was occupied in finishing

paying over the annuities- When concluded, the chiefs were consulted on

the subject of the negotiation, and were desired, as soon as possible, to meet

the Gov. in Council. They desired the opening interview on tomorrow (Fri-

day) immediately after breakfast-

 

Friday afternoon, 26th Sept. 1834

1/2 past 1 Oclk--

The chiefs councillors, Head men &c convened in their council House

and coming to order, Tom Long, one of the councillors, rose and gave a

general exhortation to the council to preserve order during the interview as it

is an occasion that ought to forbid any thing like levity, especially as the

chief magistrate of Ohio is one of the parties in this meeting- The Gov.

concisely remarked, on opening the negotiation, that he met the chiefs and

individuals of this tribe as a commissioner on the part of the united States

in a spirit of candor and good will, & would, in what he had to observe in

explanation of his views, & in giving those of the government in relation to

the welfare and happiness of these Indians, he hoped to use no other than

fair arguments- and he assured all who were present, that he would

endeavor to consult the best interests of the tribe in what he had to propose

to them.

 

The Gov. then proceeded to explain, in general terms, the views and

opinions of the govt-- W. Walker, the interpreter, followed, & presented it to

the tribe in the Wyandot language.

Upon the conclusion of this statement of the Gov. he enlarged in

explanation of the country designed for the Indians, and cited the tribe

to the map he submitted for inspection for a knowledge of the country to

which the other Indians of the United States, & those from  Ohio, have

emigrated. The intention is (he said) that each tribe should have exclusive

possession of the country they shall select, the united States having a super-

intending care over the whole country, which all the Indians occupy west of

the Mississippi-



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The Gov. explained further the form of the government designed for the

Indians- That a proposition was pending before congress to form a separate

and distinct government of their own, & would probably, as soon as they

should become sufficiently intelligible [sic] & civilised to form a state or

territory of themselves, be adopted, and previous to that period they will

possess the power of electing a delegate to congress, the same as the other

territories of the Union, to take care of their interests and to protect their

rights and privileges as a people- After fully and freely explaining all these

matters, deemed important to impart a proper knowledge to the tribe, of

the benevolent intentions, and the kind, superintending care of the President,

and the government of the United States over them, the Gov. read from a

Report of the board of commissioners, appointed for the purpose of exploring

the country intended for the residence of the united States Indians, who give

their views at large on the various subjects connected with the emigration &

settlement of all the Indians of the Union east of the Mississippi River.

Succeeding the reading from this document, the Gov. entered at some

length in explanation of the advantages to be enjoyed by emigrating to

the country designed- He adverted to the extensive range of country from

which they could make a selection, the salubrity of the climate, the richness

of the soil-the advantages for grasing cattle, horses, sheep &c and the

promise held out for realising all the necessaries of life, which the various

wants of the Indian now required. He enlarged upon the subject of these

advantages, and contrasted the present condition of this nation with their

former situation, possessed as they once were of a wide & extended region

of country, & now dwindled down to a small and narrow reservation of a few

miles in extent, and finding, as it were but a handful of their men & women

left, and they dropping off, one after another, loudly speaking to the world

that the day of their national prosperity is gone, & pointing them to the

West where those remaining might go & where the sprigs of their nation might

take root and flourish. Jacko, principal chief, observed, when the Gov. pro-

posed to them to give ample time to consider, (one, two, or four weeks, or

such time as they might select, that they would consult together for a while,

this evening, and let the Gov. know whether it would be necessary to meet

tomorrow- They finally determined to meet tomorrow morning for further

consultation-

Saturday, 1 O'clk P.M-

Septr 27-

Thomas Long, one of the chiefs rose and said in behalf of the council,

that after some considerable length of time, and hearing the views of one

and other of the tribe, and after hearing what the gov. had to say yesterday,

they have come to the conclusion to postpone a final decision on the subject-

The tribe feel a due sense of the candor and truth with which the Gov. has

expressed to them his views and opinions as to a proposed change of their

residence-and, taking into consideration his assurance of being their friend,



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and, that he would do the Indians nothing but Justice in this negotiation,--

and further, that the subject should be made plain to their understanding,

and be involved in no mystery or uncertainty by him, they have concluded

best to postpone the further consideration of the consultation until three

weeks from monday next, and he feels happy to remark that there is a

[concurrence?] in opinion and feeling between the Gov. and the council as

to the time.

The Gov. adverted again to the subject of the negotiations alluded to

the former treaty made with the nation by which certain of the old chiefs

named therein were allowed each 2 sections of land- That if they now sold

this Reservation, these or any others who wished to become citisens and come

under the laws of the State, he had no objection to the same and he had

little or no doubt that it would meet with the sanction of the Prest

The Gov. observed that he did not know that any further observations

were necessary. If any one present had any questions to ask, he would be

happy to answer them-

Thomas Long said, in regard to the suggestion made on yesterday,

whether they had any questions to ask on the subject before, he could say,

that they had had the subject under consideration, and he did not know any

thing at present of importance to submit to the consideration of the govern-

ment- He was fully satisfied, and they all were of the fair and candid course

pursued in this negotiation. They feel grateful for the same & hope to be

enabled to reciprocate the same, in a manner becoming them--and further

that they w[oul]d carefully examine the subject submitted to their con-

sideration. Whereupon the council adj[ourne]d to meet again on monday

the 20th of October next-

[Endorsed]  Thos  Long  pd..........................................$10.

W. Walker .........................................                                      10.

Jonathan           Painter  .................................. ..                    1.

Jno. Bryan        ................. ................ ..                                    10

 

Robert Lucas to Lewis Cass33

Executive Office, Ohio.

Columbus October 4th 1834

Sir,

In compliance with the wish of the Secretary of War as expressed in

your letter of the 25th of July last, I met with Col McElvain at Upper San-

dusky on the 18th ult to superintend the payment of the annuities to the

Wyandot Indians at that place, at which time and place I met the Chiefs in

Council and made known to them the regulations adopted by the Department

which prescribed the manner in which the payments should be made and

 

33 Lucas Executive Letter Book.



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requested them to consult the tribe and determine whether they would prefer

the annuity to be made to the Chiefs as the head of the tribe or to the heads

of families. The Chiefs after consultation determined in Council in favor

of the former course, and had drawn up, and signed their names to, such

determination, which I herewith transmit to the department.  (marked A)

I at the same time informed the Chiefs that as soon as the annuities

were distributed I would meet them in Council for the purpose of opening

a negotiation with them for the cession of their land to the U. S. and for

their removal West of the Mississippi river, and desired that all the present

and former Chiefs, and old men particularly, and as many of the tribe as

could attend, should be present at the opening of the negotiation. The

Chiefs replied that the tribe was then assembled and would be kept together

and as soon as they had completed the distribution of the annuities they

would let me know and would meet me for that purpose. Several days

were then occupied in preparing and distributing the annuities and on the

25th inst the principal chief informed me that the Chief Counsellors, head

men and Warriors of the Wyandot tribe would meet me in council the next

day to hear the propositions that might be made on behalf of the United

States for the cession of their land and for their removal West of the Mis-

sissippi.

Sept 26th 1834. Pursuant to appointment I in company with Col McEl-

vain, sub-agent, John A. Bryan Esqr Secretary and William Walker Esqr

Interpreter, met the principal Chief Councillors, head men and warriors of

the Wyandot tribe in council at Upper Sandusky in the county of Crawford

in the State of Ohio, and opened a negotiation with them in accordance with

the request of the President of the United States as expressed in a communi-

cation from the War Department of the 11th July 1834. I opened the nego-

tiation by giving them a concise view of the benevolent intentions of the

President of the United States with regard to the Indian Tribes generally,

described to them the country they are desired to immigrate to, explained

to them the nature of the government that would be guaranteed to them- and

the many advantages that would result to them as a Nation, drew a contrast

between their present and former situation- pointed out to them the diffi-

culties and embarrasments they must necessarily encounter if they remain

in their present situation and urged upon their consideration the liberal offer

that was made to them for the cession, and the advantages they would enjoy

over other emigrants should they accept then and immigrate to the West.34

A communication in writing containing the proposition I was author-

ized to submit to them was read and interpreted to them as well as the

Report of the Committee on Indian Affairs and the Report of the U. S.

Commissioner describing the Western Territory and the condition of those

tribes that had been settled therein. I produced to them the map of the

country and desired the interpreter to explain it to them.

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To all these communications they listened with great attention. The

written and printed Documents were left in possession of the interpreter to

explain to them, with a request that they would examine them together with

the proposition submitted for their consideration and that they would give

me a specific answer to them- and that if they should after a careful exami-

nation of the proposition and all the circumstances connected with the nego-

tiation determine that they would not sell their lands upon any terms that

they should inform me of it and the reasons that governed such determination.

But if they should conclude to cede their lands to the U. S. and were not

fully satisfied with the terms offered, that, in such case to inform me upon

what terms they would be willing to negotiate. After I concluded the Chiefs

without giving any reply, requested time to consider and desired to meet me

the next day, at which time I met them and enquired if they desired any

further explanations on the proposition submitted to them. They informed

me they did not, but promised that they would carefully examine the whole

matter and get the interpreter to explain the documents to them and that I

should give them three weeks to consider and consult the tribe and that I

should meet them at that time when they would give me their answer to

the proposition. To this request I acceded and adjourned to meet again at

Upper Sandusky on Monday the 20th of this month.

The foregoing is a brief statement of the proceedings. I thought it best

to keep the negotiation open and give them time to consider and examine the

subject of the proposition made to them. From what I could learn the tribe

is somewhat divided in opinion on the subject of emigrating. The principal

Chief is in favor as well as the former Chiefs but I am inclined to think that

a majority of the present board of Counsellors are unfavorably impressed in

consequence of the unfavorable report made by the Chiefs who explored the

western country. The impression may probably be done away on an exami-

nation of the map and the description given of the country by the United

States Commissioners, who had explored it. Should I find on my next meet-

ing with them that a majority of the Chiefs are opposed to the negotiation

it may be necessary to still adjourn and keep the negotiation open untill after

a new election of Chiefs which will be in January next as I have been assured

by men whose situation gave them an opportunity to know the sentiments of

these people, that there is a majority of the tribe in favor of selling.

Were I invested with discretionary power I have not the least doubt but

that I could finally succeed in effecting a negotiation upon terms that would

be satisfactory to the Indians and indemnify the Government for all expenses

of their translation from their present to their future homes. As the appro-

priation for the negotiation is a small one and I have been instructed to keep

the expenses within that sum, a considerable portion of which has been ex-

pended in furnishing rations to the Indians, I would ask the advice of the

Department whether or not it would be advisable to keep the negotiation open

should the Indians at the next interview not be prepared to give a definite



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answer. If the negotiation should be kept open the appropriation would not

be sufficient to meet the expenses that would necessarily acrue. On this

subject I would be pleased to hear the opinion of the Department. After the

next interview which will take place on the 20th inst I will transmit to the

Department a correct Journal of all the proceedings & the final result of that

interview--

Your obt svt

Robert Lucas

Hon Lewis Cass-Secy of War

 

Elbert Herring to Robert Lucas

Department of War

Office of Indian Affairs,

October 14th 1834

Sir,

I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 4th

Inst addressed to the Secretary of War relative to your negotiation with the

Wyandot Indians for a cession of their lands to the United States.

I am instructed by the Secretary of War, to present his thanks to you

for your agency in the business, and to assure you of his entire approbation

of the measures you have taken.

I agree with your Excellency that the sum appropriated to effect this

object was small, still the Department has no authority to exceed it. There

is also from your representation good reason to believe that the negotiation

would be successful, if it should be continued after the 20th inst, provided

the Wyandots should not then come to terms. Yet if the sum, which has been

appropriated for that purpose, shall then be exhausted, the Department cannot

authorise you to keep the negotiation open. Should it however be continued

on your own responsibility and terminate successfully, the expense incurred

by you would unquestionably be reimbursed by the Government.

I have the honor to be,--Very respectfully, Yr. obt svt.

Elbert Herring

His Excellency, Robert Lucas

Upper Sandusky, Ohio.

Journal of Concluding Proceedings

In council, Wednesday 1/2 past 11 AM. Oct 23d 1834--

Jacques principal chief-rose and said that the delay had taken place in

consequence non attend. of two or three chiefs. Perhaps circumstances had

occurred to prevent their att[endanc]e. He was happy to find the Gov. enjoy-

ing usual health, and that they were again permitted to meet together in

peace and friend ship to consult on the subject of the negotiation opened for

the sale of their lands.



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He continued to remark that with regard to the subject that has been

submitted to their consideration, that the manner in which the subject has

been presented to their consideration was calculated to inspire confidence and

to assure them of the entire fairness of the proposition of the govt-- That

they had viewed the subject in all its bearings in the spirit of candor and

truth. That they had convened the nation for these several days to discuss

and examine the subject, & had taken the proposition of the govt under their

special attention- That from a view of the whole matter they had come to

a determination adverse to selling--

further he remarked that in the course of the discussion in the 3 days

convention, various propositions were made, one of which was that they would

ascertain from the Convt the most favorable terms on which a treaty would

be based- The other was whether they w[oulld consent to sell at all and the

first question discussed was whether they w[oul]d emigrate at all- The vote

was taken on this latter proposition, and it was decided in the negative-

This of course cut off all other questions, and they concluded to close the

negotiations, and to end the matter at once-

Jacques further said that there was another circumstance- They among

a no. of persons had been advised on the subject by various persons in oppo-

sition to their removal- Among others, one of the commissioners at the treaty

made at the rapids, and altho' some years ago, he was then in the Indian

service at Detroit and he advised them never to part with their Reservation-

That his advice was given adverse to their selling out, and altho' some years

since, they did not know any reason since his transfer to the head of the War

Dept why he sh[oul]d have changed his mind-- This advice, together with

that of others had weighed heavily on their minds and was one among the

reasons why they declined selling their lands--

At the called convention when this subject was submitted to the convent

it was understood and named that every one of the tribe were permitted to

express himself on the subject, and all sides of the question was laid open to

their men, the dark sides of the case were all laid open to examination, and

whether the determination was dictated by good policy or not, or whether it

w[oul]d eventuate to their interests as a nation or not, but the organ of the

nation was bound to make known the decision which they finally came to on

the subject-

as the negotiation was opened in a candid manner they feel that they

are not disposed to quibble or to enlarge upon the reasons which have been

assigned or may be assigned relative to the same-

[Lamadomt?], in continuation, (it being intimated by the Gov that he

w[oul]d like to hear others who might wish to speak on the subject) said that

he recollected very distinctly that you stated in the concluding part of your

address that you wished the reasons assigned why we are opposed to selling-



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That one [of] the reasons why they were not disposed to sell was that

when they contrasted their present situation with the country designed for

them in the west he w[oul]d observe that if they emigrated they must nec-

essarily turn agriculturalists and that it was contrary to their general modes

and habits of life- That their condition was not calculated for it

on the first day there was a pretty general attend on the 2d day there

was less in no. and on the 3d and last day quite a large no. did not attend.

That the prevailing sentiment of the nation appears to be adverse to the

removal. That it has been so expressed whenever in council, and whenever

they have been together on the subject.

The Gov. remarked in reply that one of the reasons assigned why they

did not wish to remove was that they were not satisfied with the country they

had examined west of the Missippi--He asked of them to state what extent

of country had been examined. How far the committee sent out for the pur-

pose of exploring the country had penetrated the Indian country set apart by

the govt?

The location of the country they examd is on the north side of the

Missouri River, an extent of country embracing 40 miles square, a portion of

country recommended to them as most appropriate for their residence-

The Gov. inq[uire]d whether they had an interview with the comr of the

U. S. there, who are designed by the govt to give all information desired to

exploring parties seeking a residence west of the Missippi-

[Sminondent?], one who went out, said he expected they did not- that

he had no recollection of seeing such commissioner (The Gov. here explained

the duties of these Commissioners in that country, and the obj[ec]t of

their [?])

They suspect that they heard of them- That they were then away down

in the Cherokee country-

[Sminondent?], observed in conference with [Squindetty?] that on their

arrival there that Maj. Cummings, the Shawnee agent told them that the

country was attached to Missouri for that portion of country had been attached

to the State of Missouri [sic]

After asking him where do you suppose we ought to go to examine-

He replied he did nt know where. He obs[erve]d that was the best of the

country as far as he knew. They said they w[oul]d examine it at any rate

and he said why they might do it to be sure but it was of no use.

Inquiry by Gov.- Did the agents accompany them in making their

examination?- answer, none of them-

Did those who explored examine the country north of the State of Mis-

souri- and did they examine the country between the osages, and the Dela-



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wares & Shawanees? They did not, never having been advisd that there was

any such country designed for them- They were anxious to make a pretty

general examination, but receiving no aid, or information they could not

do it-

Did they see and converse with any other agent than Mr. Cummings

before mentioned?- They did not

There was another agent there, but that was not his agency- He was

going on to another tribe. Think he was a Doct. has forgotten his name-

He gave them no intelligence of the country in particular. They saw him and

conversd with him however, for some little time.

The Governor s[ai]d he felt bound to make the inquiry whether there

was not considerable of a division relative to selling?- No reply-

 

(Here the Governor made a genl speech)

In his remarks in eluciadation of the views of the govt &c the Gov. asked

whether in fact the tribe was as prosperous now as they were five years since?

Whether they were not as a tribe generally more involved, and more deeply in

debt than they were, four or five years since, and whether they did not think

they would be more prosperous and happy should they remove to some chosen

spot of their own selection, where they could live under their own laws and

regulations?--

After a few moments consulation among themselves, it was concluded to

adjourn until after supper, and hold an evening council-

convened agreeably to adjournment-

[Sminondent?] in reply to the inquiry submitted by the Gov. remarked,

that he w[oul]d state, that when the [poll?] of the nation was taken & they

had adj[ourne]d they were not authorized to say any thing further than to

make known the decision of the nation- They were aware of the difficulties

of their nation, and that many of these had been taken into consideration in

council and since a final determination was made they have no further power

on the subject-

In regard to the extending the laws of the State over them, they have to

say that they not only object to selling & removal, but that they object also

to the state extending the laws over them- If they do then put them under

the laws, why it is a matter beyond their control, and they have only to submit

to that when it shall take place- He further remarked that he considered the

matter ended, and he should object to meeting on tomorrow-

The Gov. remarked in reply that he could not consider that the nation

had decided in this matter- That from their acknowledgement there were but

a small portion of the nation present when the question was put and decided-



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The Gov. further observed That he w[oul]d suspend the negotiation-- con-

sider it open, and would take measures on the part of the govt to ascertain

the actual sentiments of every individual in the nation-- It would be held

open indefinitely and would report the facts to the government.

 

 

Robert Lucas to Lewis Cass 35

Executive Office, Ohio

Columbus 24th March 1835

Dear Sir,

I herewith transmit a report of my proceedings as Commissioner to hold

a Treaty with the Wyandot Indians. You will perceive by examin[in]g the

report that considerable pains were taken to bring about a successful issue,

but without effect. It will be discovered that the Indian Chiefs maintained

a degree of obstinate silence, and that they could not be drawn into an argu-

ment on the subject of emigrating. I was informed by one of the most intel-

ligent men among them, that they have a law in that tribe that forbids any

discussion among individuals of the tribe relative to the sale of their lands,

under a severe penalty, without the permission of the Chiefs. I have reason

to believe that if the sentiments of the Indians were taken individually and

every one permitted to express his opinion without restraint a majority of

the tribe would be found in favor of emigrating-

The letter from the Department, of the 14th of October last in acknowl-

edgement of mine of the 4th of said month, stated that if I had "good reasons

to believe that the negotiation would be successful if it should be continued

after the 20th of that month, provided the Wyandots should not then come to

terms; yet if the sum which had been appropriated for that purpose should

then be expended, the Department could not authorize me to keep the nego-

tiation open. Should it however be continued on my own responsibility and

terminate successfully the expense incurred by me would unquestionably be

reimbursed by the Government" Under this suggestion I assumed the respon-

sibility to suspend the negotiation under the expectation that the Indians

would utimately change their opinions, and agree to the propositions of

government--

The account current of the expenditure of the amount of the appro-

priation for holding a treaty, with the vouchers are herewith transmitted; by

which it will be found that the appropriation is all expended and a small sum

over; but that the balance due is due to myself and secretary for our services-

This balance we do not expect to be paid unless there should be a treaty

finally concluded, in which case, as suggested by the Department, we would

expect all expenses to be paid by Government.

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330     OHIO ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL QUARTERLY

 

I would ask the advice of the Department with regard to keeping the

negotiations still open. I think it highly probable that a change will be

effected in the minds of these Indians within the ensuing year. Our Legis-

lature at its late session ordered the reserve to be attached to the Civil town-

ships in Crawford County (a copy of which Act I herewith transmit to the

Department) I am under the impression that the operation of these laws will

have a considerable effect on the minds of the Indians. If it be thought

advisable by the Department I will keep the negotiation open upon my own

responsibility, without asking from Government any further appropriations-

and will improve every favorable opportunity to effect a negotiation in accord-

ance with the views of Government. Please to give me the views of the

Department on this subject as soon as convenient.

With sincere respect I am your obt servt

Robert Lucas

Hon Lewis Cass Secry of War

 

 

Lewis Cass to Robert Lucas

 

War Department

April 16, 1835

Sir,

I have had the letter [sic] to receive your letter of the 24th ulto., report-

ing your proceedings in the negotiation with the Wyandot Indians.

Every thing in your power appears to have been done, to promote the

object which the government had in view. It is deeply to be regretted that

these Indians evince an unwillingness to remove to the country west of the

Mississippi. To that measure they must come, & soon. And the longer it is

delayed, the worse it must be for them.

With respect to the continuance of the negotiation, I refer it to your

discretion. If you think it best to continue your intercourse with them, you

are at liberty to do so, with the express understanding however, that no

expense for that purpose can be encountered by the government. There is

no appropriation properly applicable to the object, & therefore the President

would not feel justified under existing circumstances, in directing a nego-

tiation to be held.

Should you however resume it, & be able to conclude a treaty upon the

terms stated in my letter to you of 11th July 1834, I have no hesitation in

saying, that an appropriation will be asked of Congress for all the reasonable

expenses incurred by you.



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It is out of the power of the Department to advance to the Indians any

portion of the consideration money for their lands, previous to the formation

& ratification of the treaty. It would be well therefore at once to discourage

such expectation.

Your accounts have been received, & will be adjusted by the accounting

officers. The amount found due shall be remitted to you.

With great respect I am Sir Your obt Svt

Lew Cass.

His Excellency Robert Lucas

Columbus Ohio.