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EARLY DAYS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON:

EARLY DAYS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON:

EXCERPTS FROM THE CHRONICLES OF NAZARETH

edited by GEORGE RUPPEL, S.M.*

"The Chronicles of Nazareth" is a manuscript history of the first

thirty years of the present University of Dayton. It was written by

Brother John A. Brueck in the latter years of the nineteenth

century as an informal record of the Society of Mary in America

and of the school for boys begun at Dayton in 1850. The

"Nazareth" in his title comes from the name given to the hundred-

acre farm on the outskirts of Dayton where the central house for

the order was established and the school started. The excerpts

reproduced below are taken from the first pages of Brother Brueck's

"Chronicles." They furnish an interesting account of the humble

beginnings of this now flourishing university.

The Society of Mary, of which Brother Brueck writes, is an

international society of priests, brothers who teach, and brothers

who do manual labor. Its members are known as Marianists. They

conduct all kinds of schools from the grade to the university level,

in all parts of the world. They were founded at Bordeaux in 1819

and came to the United States in 1849, where they opened their

first grade schools at Cincinnati, and then in Dayton, Ohio. Since

the Europeans came from Alsace, they worked in German and

French areas, where at least half of the subjects were taught in the

native language. This accounts for the structure of some of the

sentences in the following "Chronicles," and perhaps for some of

the punctuation. It is not known whether the author, Brother

Brueck, was born in this country or not, although he was fifteen

or sixteen when he joined the society in 1855.

In the early part of 1849 Rev. F. X. Weninger, applied to Mr. Sigwart

Muller, leader of the Sonderbund in Switzerland, to mediate in his behalf

for obtaining some Brothers for Cincinnati.1 What gave occasion to this

 

* Brother George Ruppel is a Marianist, a member of the Society of Mary. He is

at present a candidate for a Ph.D. in history at the University of Pittsburgh.

1 The Sonderbund was an alliance of Catholic cantons in a religious conflict between

the Catholic and Calvinist cantons, in which the minority Catholics were defeated, the

Sonderbund dissolved, and the leaders exiled.

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request was the following. Rev. F. X. Weninger who had become acquainted

with our Brothers [the Marianists] in Freibourg, was driven with his

confreres out of Switzerland and having crossed the ocean to America, was

sent by his superiors to Cincinnati. He spoke with Rev. Clemens Hamner,

then pastor of Holy Trinity's Church about these Brothers, that they were

successful in teaching and that it would be advantageous to have them in

their parishes. Father Hamner, who came with Bishop Baraga to America,

had seen our Brothers at Strasbourg. With the authorization of Baptist

Purcell, bishop of Cincinnati,2 he applied towards the close of 1848, to the

above mentioned Sigwart Muller, who happened to be in exile in Ribeau-

ville, Alsace, where we had a flourishing establishment for many years....

[By the summer of 1849 the preliminary arrangements were complete,

but the superior general decided to send the Rev. Leo Meyer and Brother

Charles Schultz to Cincinnati, where they would make sure that the

promises of local authorities would be fulfilled before a contract for

supplying teachers would be signed.]

Rev. L. Meyer left Havre on a sailing vessel [the Ohio, an American

ship] and arrived in New York July 4th where he proceeded to the

Redemptorist Fathers, by whom he was kindly received and hospitably

entertained. There he learned that the cholera was raging frightfully at

Cincinnati, but he was not frightened. He did not stay long in New York,

but departed for Cincinnati, passing through Albany, Buffalo and Sandusky

(Ohio). During the whole of his journey he wore his three-cornered hat

and his soutane [cassock] as he had been in the habit of doing in France.

. . .Having laid aside his cassock, and dressed in the civil costume, as the

other priests of the country, Rev. L. Meyer was presented to the Archbishop

of Cincinnati who received him very kindly. The cholera was at the time

making great ravages in Cincinnati and in the United States. In one parish

in Cincinnati alone were reckoned 40 deaths in a day ....

[Two of the parishes wished to have Marianist teachers, and it was

agreed that each of these would be supplied with two Marianists as soon

as the teachers could be brought over from Europe. It was possible to expect

the new men, who would be Alsatians, to begin their teaching as soon as

they arrived in Cincinnati, because the population of the parishes concerned

was solidly German, and the teaching was almost entirely in that language,

rather than in English.]

It was on the 9th of October, 1849, that these four brothers started on

 

2 John Baptist Purcell had been bishop of Cincinnati for over fifteen years. He was

named archbishop in 1850.



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their journey from Ebersmunster; they were accompanied to the railroad

station by Bro. A. Klein and his postulants, they proceeded to Strasbourg.

Here they bought part of the provisions for the journey. They intended to

take the cars for Paris; but instead of being taken to the railroad depot, as

they asked, they found themselves traveling by stage to Paris before they

were aware of it. In this part of the journey they were joined at Nancy

by3                    a German Jew, who appeared to feel uneasy to be

alone in company with four priests as he fancied. But when he saw them

performing their different devotions, he was encouraged to do the same.

When he and the Brothers were through, he expressed to them how happy

he was to have for traveling companions persons in whose presence he

could say his prayers without exposing himself to be laughed at. At Paris

they remained about 12 hours. From Paris they took the stage to Rouen,

and from thence the car to Havre, where they arrived on the 13th instant.

... At Havre they had to remain three days, waiting for a favorable wind

to set sail. While there, they lodged in the hospital of the Sisters of Charity.

The fifteenth they embarked on the old sailing vessel "Alfred" which re-

turned to the United States without any freight, for New York. The voyage

lasted forty-two and a half days ....

During their voyage they studied the English language, with which they

were still unacquainted. We will here give an account of the journey,

furnished by one of the party, Bro. D. Litz.4

There was no question of a steamer, even the ordinary packet-boat was deemed too

luxuriant [sic] for poor religious. We got aboard a rickety old merchantman in which,

a sort of den was made of rough boards to hold us four               originals.

We did not sail, we rolled over, and rolled it in 42 1/2 days. I was the first among the

passengers who discovered land. Bro. Edel was sick of disentery [sic] nearly during

the whole time. I myself got sea sick at every roll. (Bro. Edel relates, that in a severe

storm, the vessel received such a severe shock, as to make Bro. Litz jump up and cry

out 'Salve Regina'.) Bro. Zehler was once flung from one side of the ship to the

other, and was badly hurt. Of the passengers on board, the most were infidels,

Protestants and renegade Catholics; the latter were the worst. At one time however,

when an experienced old tar expressed fears for our box some of the bad Catholics

felt the pangs of conscience and though they often had ridiculed the long brown coats,

they now came to make their confessions. Poor fellows they could not have the

consolation, as there were no priests, which they took us for. They got better disposed

anyhow, and after this when I would come on deck with my "Following of Christ"

they eagerly listed to my reading and explanation. We had to provide for our own

meals, and though we had plenty of provisions, our food was just good enough to

3 There are a number of blanks in the story. The original word has been erased,

and it is not possible to determine what had been there.

4 The letter is imbedded in the "Chronicles."



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keep a dog or hog alive, for most of our things were spoiled by the contents of a

barrel of lime water, by the waves coming down. P.S. Our wine had turned into

vinegar. There was poor accommodation for cooking, so that most of the passengers

could get something cooked but once a day; continual strife about the hearth; the

waves rolling over would quench the fire and upset everything. Once when their

dinner was just about to be placed upon the table, the ship received a severe shock,

and all was thrown on the floor. We endured it all with galgenhumor. There is no

time in our lives when we laughed so much. We made our spiritual exercises in

common, just as in the convent chapel. That dear old ship; we were all homesick

after it. There is a piece of moral in this: we had suffered intensely on "Alfred",

hence we loved "Alfred"; those also hold their order or congregation most dear, that

have suffered most for them. As Jesus loves us in proportion to His sufferings for us.5

The four brothers reached New York on the 27th of November at

2 o'clock A. M. where they were detained for two days on account of Bro.

Edel, who was still suffering from disentery. They lodged during these days

with the Redemptorist Fathers at Holy Redeemer's. The good fathers regretted

not to be able to lodge them all; however one of them gave up his room to

Bro. Edel, and the others found a lodging with a member of the congrega-

tion. While Bro. Edel was obliged to remain at home, the other three went

to see the city, little dreaming that two of them would successively become

directors at the same congregation, where they had taken lodging.

From New York they took the steamer to Albany where they arrived on

St. Andrew's day, November 30th at 3 o'clock A. M. ... At 1 o'clock P. M.

they took the cars for Buffalo; but being unacquainted with the custom in

this country they were put into emigrant cars, while for the same [money]

they could have traveled in better ones. The emigrant cars, were mean things,

poorly constructed, open on all sides, and that in December. Truely [sic],

they had a stove in the middle of the car, and besides heated red hot, but

 

5 The word galgenhumor literally means "humor of the gallows."

Brother Damian Litz, the author of the letter, was destined to be the best remembered

of this group because of his administrative ability, and especially because of his writ-

ings for publications. He appealed to the German immigrants who were in a strange

land, with customs, newspapers, and the like which they did not understand. To fill

this void, German language newspapers were a godsend, and Brother Litz was the

"Poor Richard" for those people. He wrote brief essays of a philosophical, pedagogical,

or humorous nature. This was possible because he had the experience of opening

schools in such widely flung places as New York, New Orleans, and Cleveland. How-

ever, he is best remembered in Baltimore. At the age of sixty-nine he retired to San

Antonio, Texas.

He wrote first and most frequently for the Baltimore Volkszeitung, but contributed

regularly to Cincinnati's Wahrheitsfreund, besides other German weeklies, such as the

Philadelphia Nord-Amerika. From 1870 to 1903 he contributed to several newspapers

simultaneously, sending duplicate articles only twice. When he died there were over

a thousand unpublished essays among his papers. They are almost all in German.

Further information may be found in A.L. Saletal, S.M., "Damian Litz and the Catholic

German-American Press 1870-1903" (M.A. thesis, Catholic University, 1929).



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what was that? For seats they had rough benches. All kinds of people

were so to say huddled in these cars. Besides four brothers there were in

the same car a woman with six children and a drunkard who was making

the already unpleasant cars still more so by his screaming. Bro. Edel lost

patience at last, and taking his stick went up to the fellow and said: "If

you are not quiet I'll give you a sound beating," whereupon the drunk

cooled down a little. Bro. Edel suffered much from his sickness in these

cars as there was no accommodation for such cases. From Buffalo, Dec. 1st at

10 P. M. they took the steamer for Sandusky; but having heard that a short

time before a vessel had been wrecked, Brother Stinzi divided the money

among the brothers, so that if any accident should occur, all the money

would not be lost. Bro. Litz was in this part of the journey once thrown

on his back by a shock of the ship when a roll in the opposite direction

stayed him. At 10 o'clock, on Sunday night Dec. 2 they landed at Sandusky.

Next morning they started for Cincinnati on the                   only

cars in the State. The cars were as good as they are now [1880's] on most

of the lines, but the road was in such a bad condition that the passengers

had to take hold of the backs of the seats not to be thrown down. The

brothers gazed at each other with significant looks and prayed to God to

deliver them from American railroads.6 It was 11 o'clock at night, Decem-

ber 3, 1849 that they reached the Queen of the West.7 They had been told

that they would be able to distinguish Holy Trinity's school by a little

steeple on its roof, but as they had no other direction they were unable to

find it during the night and had to take shelter in a miserable little bar

room, which, from the continued smell of the worst cigars was rendered

a very unpleasant abode.8 Feeling very restless Bro. Edel went out early to

find the school house. He did indeed find such a one, and went back full

of joy to his companions saying, "I have found it." The others accompanied

him to the place, knocked on the door and Bro. Stinzi calling Father Meyer

and Bro. Schultz, but no answer. They found that they had been mistaken.

They continued their search for some time longer, but without success; at

last they asked a man who came along, whether he knew where they could

find Holy Trinity's. He appeared at first astonished to see them, but

presently said: "O yes, I know where Holy Trinity's is. I know Father

6 The Mad River and Lake Erie Railroad and the Little Miami Railroad, which made

connections at Springfield, formed the only route that ran clear across the state. They

were, however, not the only railroad lines in the state at that time.

7 Brueck evidently means "Queen City of the West," which is the title Cincinnatians

gave to their city.

8 Actually they were lodged in a small room above the barroom.



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Meyer also. Come along." Thus the brothers at length arrived at their

destination, where they received a hearty welcome.

"... Rev. L. Meyer promised the first brothers to Holy Trinity's school.

In the meantime he went to Dayton, Ohio to see Rev. Junker [pastor in

Dayton], after[wards] Bishop of Alton, Illinois. The cholera was making

fearful ravages in Dayton; but Rev. Meyer displayed during this epidemic

great courage and zeal, and gained the hearts of all by affable manners and

his simplicity. . . . During the time Rev. L. Meyer resided at Dayton he

became acquainted with Mr. Stuart a very good Catholic and intimate

friend of his Grace, Archbishop Purcell and of Rev. Junker. The latter

knowing that Mr. Stuart wished to return to France [and] to sell his

property, called "Dewberry", consisting of 100 acres, engaged Rev. L.

Meyer very urgently to try to purchase the place, for which $12,000 were

asked. Nothing was done in the summer of 1849.9 In the autumn Rev.

L. Meyer returned to Cincinnati. ...

At that time there existed at Cincinnati a board of examiners, whose duty

it was, to examine all the teachers to be employed in the German Catholic

schools. But the Brothers were quite a new care for them, as they did not

present themselves on their own account, but were sent by their superiors.

[Still] Rev. Schonart, pastor of Holy Trinity's was unwilling to be the only

priest of the city, whose teachers did not undergo an examination     . . .

As three of the Brothers were more French than English, their superior was

far from anxious that they should be examined. Happily for the Brothers,

the president of the board Rev. Unterdiener, Superior of the Franciscan

Fathers at St. John's Church showed a great reluctance for examining the

brothers. After a few days of parley, it was agreed on by all parties, that

on a certain day, the brothers employed at Holy Trinity's Brothers Edel and

Litz should teach school for some time in the presence of the president of

the Board, the pastor of the Church, and five trustees of the congregation

which was done to the satisfaction of all ....

Towards the end of February, 1850, Rev. J. Junker, pastor of Emmanuel's

church, Dayton, O., asked Father Meyer to take his place. He being already

acquainted with the place he gladly accepted the charge; the more so as it

gave him [Junker] an occasion to absent himself from his congregation for

a couple of weeks, and that he [Meyer] was more able to negotiate the

purchase of Nazareth [Dewberry Farm]. The parish priest, seeing that it

was serious, and that Father Meyer was beginning to have friends in

 

9 John Stuart was related to the royal family of Scotland. He wished to return to

the family chateau in northern France.



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Dayton, feared to lose something               if Father Meyer would

buy the place, he therefore endeavored to dissuade him from buying the

farm, but Father Meyer was too much taken up with the place and would

not give way.10 On Father Meyer's return to Cincinnati the little com-

munity held a deliberation on whom to send to Stuart's farm. Then it was

agreed on this: Bros. Zehler, Edel and Schultz should go with Father Meyer

to Dayton. . . . On the 7th of March Bro. Edel arrived at Nazareth.

. . When he arrived at Dayton he engaged a drayman who was acquainted

with the place, and he brought Bro. Edel and his trunk to the farm for

50 cts. Bro. Zehler came on the 19th.

They were obliged to take the stage, there being not as yet any

railroads from Cincinnati to Dayton. It took them 24 hours to make the

journey. . . . After some weeks he [Father Meyer] arrived at last to take

up his permanent abode at Nazareth. The Stuart family still remained on

the property and did not leave until the commencement of May. Father

Meyer had his room in the building, and the three brothers lived on a little

hill in a frame house, which existed until the winter of 1870, when through

want of foresight on the part of the brother who had charge of the vineyard,

it burned to the ground. It contained two rooms which served for oratory,

study room, kitchen, dormitory, etc. There was but one bed for the three

brothers.11 The kitchen utensils consisted at first of a small pot, which they

had brought from the ship, and small sauce pan, a painted piece of wood

served as a large fork, and another flattened and rounded for stirring the

potatoes, the only vegetable, with flour and corn. Sometimes Mr. Stuart

would give them some milk and eggs. Notwithstanding their poverty they

were happy and contented. When good Father Meyer arrived, March the

18th, they did not wish to be the last to give him a good reception. They

set to work to make an extra meal, as was but proper. And now to use the

words of the narrator [the cook, who was probably the narrator, was Brother

Charles Schultz], "see what we had for dinner. First, a soup made of

potatoes, then a dish of potatoes, and lastly three kinds of

pancakes baked in the memorable sauce pan. The first cake was made of

water, flour and salt; the second of water, flour, salt and potatoes; and the

third of water, salt and cornmeal: "When Father Meyer saw this he said:

"You are very kind to make so many things and to go to such an expense

for me." "Very well," we said, "the rule allows something extra at the

10 It seems that Father Junker began to feel that Father Meyer, the visitor, was be-

coming too popular, and that if Father Meyer could be convinced that he shouldn't buy

the Dewberry farm, he would leave Dayton permanently.

11 Since there was but one bed, it is commonly believed that the other two slept on

the floor, probably on straw.



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visit of a superior." They ate with good appetite, but no one could tell

what taste those cakes had. Next day the 19th of March, . . . the deed of

purchase was drawn up.

The farm consisting of nearly a hundred acres, [was sold] for $10,000.00

and the house, furniture, barn, cattle (livestock) for $2,000.00, the whole

payable in twelve years; interest at 6%, payable semiannually. The first

payment was in May and the second in December. It would seem naturally

that the brothers would never be able to pay that sum in the appointed time;

but as has been already stated Father Meyer placed himself entirely in the

hands of Divine Providence, and to the management of St. Joseph; and

besides he had been authorized by his superiors in France to make the

bargain. As Father Meyer had no money to pay, he gave Mr. Stuart a medal

of St. Joseph saying, "St. Joseph will pay." And St. Joseph did, in truth,

pay all the $12,000.00, together with interest up to the last cent ....

Mr. Stuart left with his family for Europe in the beginning of May;

Father Meyer with his three brothers immediately took possession of the

house, a fine brick building; there was a good barn, three horses, two cows,

six swine and some poultry. Father Meyer and the Brothers resolved to

call the place Nazareth in honor of the abode of the Holy Family, J.M.J.

[Jesus, Mary, Joseph]. The brothers commenced to plow and work in the

field, but the                 utensils seemed to them quite strange, they

were different from those they had seen in Europe, still they succeeded.

Mr. Patterson their neighbor [whose two sons founded the National Cash

Register Company some years later] came one day to see what kind of men

those monks were. He found them engaged in spreading manure, each one

working silently and without troubling himself about those, who passed by.

He acknowledged that those monks were not like other men, that they had

a different spirit and that he was wrong in the idea he had formed about

them. From that time he had a great esteem for the brothers, assisted them

by his counsils [sic], and helped them materially and in many circum-

stances. . . 12

12 Monks, properly so called, are men who live the monastic life and have no contact

with the workaday world. Such a designation for the Marianists was not correct, as

they are an "active order" of teachers, with some members who do only manual labor.

The term "monk" was incorrectly used for many years by the people of Dayton because

they didn't understand the meaning of the word.

From the earliest times there has been a close spirit of cooperation between the

Pattersons and the Marianists. After the death of the father, when the two boys

decided to found the National Cash Register Company, Mrs. Patterson is reported to

have told them that she would allow them to use the family fortune to make cash

registers if Brother Maximin Zehler thought that it would be a good business proposi-

tion. He was the principal of the school at Nazareth. After he had heard the argu-

ments of mother and sons, he told Mrs. Patterson that he thought there would be a

great future in the cash register business.



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In June 1850 school was opened in the small frame house on the hill.

There were neither benches nor desks, for a blackboard they had a common

drawing board; and the scholars sat on planks nailed together. The teacher

had at the same time to see to the horses, cows, and pigs. .. .13

When [after] the farm had been purchased in March, Father Meyer

wrote to the Administration in Bordeaux for reenforcements to work the

farm. The superiors destined Bros. Anthony Heitz, Ignatius Kling and

Andrew Dilger for that purpose. They had left their native country on the

13th of August, 1850 and reached New York on the 18th of September,

from whence the canal boat to Pittsburgh and this was the dreariest [?]

part of the journey. Near Hollydaysburgh they were detained over Sunday

because the men refused to continue their journey. As they had no provisions

with them, they went out to buy some bread. They tried to obtain some at

a bakery the owners of which were Methodists, but were refused on the

pretext that it was Sunday. "But," replied the brothers, "we are on a

journey and must have something to eat." All was useless. "We don't sell

on Sundays."   "Then give us some as a present." At length, when they

saw that we [sic] would not go without some bread, they consented to

sell us [sic] some bread. The Alleghany mountains they crossed in quite a

novel manner. At the top there was a house in which there was a machine.

To this machine was fastened a rope, and to that a rude car, in which pas-

sengers were transported to the top of the mountain; at the same time

another car went down with a heavy load. At Freeport they had to stop

two days.14 At first they lodged in a house, where they were charged a

quarter a meal; but on the same day they found a protestant family who

agreed to lodge them at 5c a person. Rev. Father Stiebel, afterwards pastor

of St. Mary's [,] Alleghany [,]15 and vicar-General of the diocese of

Pittsburgh, traveled with the brothers; and they had also a Jew in their

company. When the traveling party came to this protestant family, the Jew

said to the proprietor: "The priest (Father Stiebel) must sleep alone; it

13 The school then was similar to the one room schoolhouses which are now history.

Classes were begun in September, boarders paid six dollars a month, and the numbers

of each increased during the year. Records of enrollment disappeared in the fire of

December 26, 1855, but at the commencement of June 1851 we know there were

fifteen graduates from the first class, as the highest class was then known.

14 They were using the Pennsylvania system of railroad, canals, and inclines. The

Hollidaysburg lift consisted of a series of inclined planes between that city and Johns-

town. Frequently, the inclines did not operate on Sundays, and breakdowns were quite

common. Thus the supposedly shorter route between New York and Cincinnati took

them two weeks. The longer route by way of the Hudson River, the railroads between

Albany and Buffalo, Lake Erie, and the Sandusky to Cincinnati railroad took five days.

15 Alleghany, now a part of Pittsburgh, was a separate city until 1907 and was

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is not proper to make him sleep with others." At meal time, the same Jew

also took care that Father Stiebel obtained the place of honor. The entire

party was [made] perfectly at home by that family. The husband ate with

them, and he himself served wine to the party. The Jew, who had shown

himself so kind and benevolent to our brothers, accompanied them to

Dayton where he became acquainted with Father Meyer. He lived for some

time with the brothers in Nazareth, made all the spiritual exercises with

them, worked with them, and was willing to abjure Judaism, but as he

had some relatives in Cincinnati, who opposed him, it was thought that it

would be best to postpone his baptism, and give him some time to reflect.

Father Meyer, by the advice of Archbishop Purcell, told him therefore, that

it would be good for him if he would for sometime [sic] establish some busi-

ness in Dayton. He consented, and was willing to have in Dayton a small dry

goods store. He rented a place, and went to Cincinnati, where he had some

relations, to buy dry goods, and there he disappeared and was heard of no

more. Later on Father Meyer paid a visit to this Jewish family in Cin-

cinnati to inquire about him; they answered that they never saw him, nor

heard of him. God knows what became of him.

At Pittsburgh the brothers remained two days and then took a steamer for

Cincinnati, where they arrived on the 7th of October, 1850. In Cincinnati

they remained one day with Bro. Stinzi and Bro. Litz at Holy Trinity's. Next

day at 3 P. M. they departed for Dayton, which they reached by canal on the

following day, Wednesday, at 1 P. M. Rev. L. Meyer met them at the door,

wearing his big strawhat [sic]. The first dish he placed before them was

green beans. After the meal he took his basket, and told them to accompany

him to the orchard for picking up apples. This was their first introduction.

As there were neither beds nor bedsteads ready for them, they had to con-

struct rough bed-steads of boards, saw-bucks and ropes; and Bro. Kling had

to sew the bags for putting in the straw.